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May 28th, 2006 at 6:40 am
Bless you and I’m glad to be here! “The Fire Baptism and the Lost Sacraments” is destined to be a classic, IMO. I must have watched it a half dozen time since it first arrived ( 4 week ) yet with each viewing it seems that some aspect or another always stands out.
The website www.freeanointing.com is equally impressive and informative and I look forward to exploring the new page.
Bless you
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:20 pm
It is winderful to see others that have figured out That Keneh-Bosem is The top branch of the tree of life.
I feel it is important to point out that not all Entheogens, (sometimes called “teacher plants”), are part of the Tree of Life.
Matt: 7; 15-20
July 7th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
To Talisman and Reverend Brett Schuler;
I am sorry your comments were only ever posted as of today. I am new to maintaining a blog. I thought all posts would appear automatically. Appearently I am required to review posts and approve them before they appear. I will try to reset the controls here if possible to allow that to happen. If not I will be on this more frequently to keep this up to date.
Thankyou for comments
July 7th, 2006 at 10:05 pm
I send you these greetings my misguided brother in Jesus the Anointed who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit now and forever and ever. Amen.
You quoted in your work Sara Benetowa as your source for stating that caneh bosem or KNH BSM is the flowers of the cannabis plant. I will now quote his work from the Book of Grass. I believe this is the source to which you are relying when you quote Sara Benetowa. “In all these languages (1.Sanskrit-cana; 2. Slav-konopla; 3. Semitic, for example in Assyro-Babylonia-kannab; 4. Greek: cannabis) the words meaning hemp have a common root: kan.This root with the double meaning of ‘hemp’ and ‘cane’ is common to almost all the ‘languages of antiquity. It is easy to show that ‘cana’ means both ‘hemp’ and ‘cane’. But what is the meaning of the ending, ‘bis’? The answer is not difficult to find if one notices an interesting detail encountered in several Semitic texts from Oriental antiquity. For example, let us look at the original text of the Old Testament and its Aramaic translation, the ‘Targum Onculos’. The word ‘kane’ or ‘kene’ sometimes appears alone and sometimes linked to the adjective ‘bosm’ (in Hebrew) or ‘busma’ (in Aramaic) which means: odorous, smelling good, aromatic.” (and spice Ed.)
the text goes on and then…
“Taking into account the matriarchal element of Semitic culture, one is led to believe that Asia Minor was the original point of expansion for both the society based on the matriarchal circle and the mass use of hashish. Let us look for factors which could have contributed to the start of mass use of hashish in matriarchal circle.”
As you can see the text you are quoting states that the descriptive is of the hashish. No where in the text does it allude to the tops or the flowering buds. You are doing the work of translating the Word and in Exodus, “And the rulers brought…spice (BSM 1314 Strongs), and oil for the light, and for the anointing oil,” xxxv. 27, 28. This is where the KNH BSM came from or who brought it to Moses and when. This took place after the Israelites had left Egypt and had some adventures that took some time. From the text we are all familiar the weight involved is estimated at approx. 6.3 lbs. Tops or flowers simply cannot be put in a sack and carried around like that without molding. There is just no physical way that months later you can deal with the flowers of hemp or any other kind of flowers without refrigeration.
Your research is misquoted and your stance violates the law of physics and Hebrew literation. The ’spice’ of the ‘KNH’ can only be hashish. This is from Sara Benetowas’ work quoted correctly. The laws of physics are agreeable to this correct translation and can then be understood as a form of reality. When the understanding that there are two seperate Hebrew terms in KNH and BSM. Then KNH means ‘hemp’. And the BSM means ’spice’. And this in turn agrees with the rules of Hebrew literation.
It is my opinion that this film should be edited to correctly state the obvious which is that KNH BSM is hashish. To deny reality clouds our understanding on this issue and gives those who mock the Word fodder for their continuing denial of Him.
Your open minded brother in the Anointed, literally
“Greg”
July 8th, 2006 at 12:02 am
Dearest Rt. Rev. Gregory Karl Davis,
Thank you for your comments
I will save my thoughts on the Trinity for another discussion, and get to your points regarding Hashish vs Cannabis in the Holy Oil. I will say upfront here that hashish is the resin from the cannabis plant. In fact much of what you write here we agree upon.
I partially base my rendering of the research of Sara Benetowa aka Sula Benet on the reprint in Cannabis and Culture, edited by Vera Rubin ISBN 90-279-7669-4 Copyright 1979. This was financed by a Grant from the Smithsonian. There exists here a copy of “Early Diffusion and Folk uses of Hemp” by Sula Benet. There was another study done by her called “Tracing one word through different languages”, which was a study of the word cannabis. These were studies in the 1930`s which re-examines the origin of the term cannabis to demonstrate its derivation from Semitic languages.
Sula Benet states that “In the course of time, the two words Kaneh and bosm were fused into one, kanabos or kannabus, known to us from the Mishna, the body of traditional hebrew law. I submit to you sir that the current translation of hemp or cannabis according to the current Websters Hebrew dictionary is kanabos. Bosm in Hebrew means fragrant or aromatic. It has been many years since I have smelled or even seen hashish. From memory though it had much less odor than the dried flowered tops of the cannabis plant.
You state above that “6.3 lbs. Tops or flowers simply cannot be put in a sack and carried around like that without molding. There is just no physical way that months later you can deal with the flowers of hemp or any other kind of flowers without refrigeration.” In fact sir these would have been dried and well preserved for long periods of time.
Sula Benet is only one factor of my research here. I submitted in the film the connections of the early Sythians, Assyrians, Zoroastrians, and the Babylonians use of cannabis for religious use.
You base your arguments based on the “Book of Grass” which relies on several Semetic texts from Oriental antiquity. I submit Sir that these are secondary resources which may lead one to believe that Hashish was used. I will therefore leave this debate to future researchers and simple submit that it may be a matter of debate.
You end the above stating, “It is my opinion that this film should be edited to correctly state the obvious which is that KNH BSM is hashish.” I submit, that I disagree with that interpretation and the film will remain as is.
May God bless.
Terry Winger
July 8th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
Greetings in the name of the most high, Jah Rastafari, ever faithful, ever sure, Jah Rastafari. One Love Brethren.
Roger Christie in Hawaii first produced this information on the weights and measures of the Holy Annointing Oil - as far as I know. He is also the first to produce and use the oil as far as I know. His work in Hawaii has yeilded one helaing of diabetic symptoms in the lower legs. The oil healed the ulcers, reduced and then eliminated the swelling (edema), stimulated regeneration of the nerves leading to gaining feeling in the legs. The gangrene was healed and the double amputation did not occur.
I have produced this oil for over a year now. The most dramatic healing was to Jack Herer, author of of “The Emperor Wears No Clothes” the book of Hemp. He also has diabetes and his lower leg symptoms have been eliminated. Jakc is still a diabetic, but you can’t ell from looking at his legs.
So, all the academic research is interesting and welcome. I hope that the movie causes people to make the oil and to take it to their sick and wounded, their old and feeble, their suffering who need relief. As we manifest the healing, we will heal.
One Love revtombrown
PS Remember, Jesus said we have to do two things. We have to love our neighbor as ourselves - in fact we cannot love another any more or better then we know and love our selves. The other thing he said, at the last supper, was that if Peter didn’t want his feet washed and annointed with the Oil, and if Peter didn’t want to wash and annoint his Brethren’s feet, then he could get his ass out, there was no place for him. So, if you ain’t loving your neighbor check out if you are loving yourself. If you ain’t annointing thier feet, Jesus says “Get out!”
July 8th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
Dear Reverend Tom Brown,
Nice to see you up here. Thanks for your comments.
Yes Jesus used this Oil for healing and this is certainly an important part of the film, as is the entire Medical Marijuana issue. Showtime is currently doing a new film on Medical Marijuana. It should spur an important debate in this Country. Certainly cannabis is documented to have been used as a medicine since at least 1600 BC, in Egyptian, Assyrian, Greek and Roman writings.
I know Roger Christie is among the first to openly make the Holy Oil and use it for healings. His ministry is a true blessing for alot of folks. I do know that several Christian groups now make the Holy Oil secretly and are offering the Fire Baptism. I have had scores of requests from various Christian groups on how to make small amounts. I have made a small amount for the anointing of some of my friends and family, while I was filming this project, however I have never had enough to give a proper anointing, or to try to use it for healing. In the Greek tradition this oil would have covered your entire body. I can only dream what that would be like.
I have been wanting to make Gods incense just for the experience. However one of the ingredients is a shell only found in the Holy land and is not available commercially. I have burned the Holy Oil on regular incense. It has a wonderful smell.
Thanks again for stopping by. I hope to hear from you up here again soon.
May God Bless
Terry
July 17th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
Being strong in faith that cannabis is a (’a’ rather than ‘the’ since I also believe in the holiness of other entheogenics) holy sacrament from God, I was thrilled to see it’s trailer, but rather distraught when I saw it was only available for purchase one place online.
Are you trying to make it so it is more difficult for people to see (probably impossible if you don’t have the net)?
Are you another group that is turning spirituality into a dollar sign?
NO. I don’t think you are.
So, why the limited availability? Why must people PAY to see truth? If the “orthodox” christians are giving away ‘the word’ for free, why not post the video online, or submit it to video rental companies for distribution where is can be seen by the masses and not just those who accidently run into it online? How about donating copies to libraries far and wide. You’ve got the movie now, how much is a DVD or VHS? 1, maybe 2 dollars. Spread the truth!
This video I’m sure (if I had the ability to make online orders) is a God-send. I’ve read about the annointing oil left and right, and now a movie is made? It should be everywhere for all to see.
/\ He Who Has Ears To Hear…
-Eric Widener
July 19th, 2006 at 11:54 pm
Hi Eric,
Thanks for your comments.
Yes I am trying to set up a distribution deal currently. I still have alot of work on the film before I can enter into a contract including a DLT Tape Master. This film was only made available in February, and it is available through Amazon.com, my website and a few other online stores. Online delivery is not currently possible as I have not completed a streaming version.
There are 2 long trailers available on Pot TV under entheogens 101 section which can give you a pretty good idea of the film. Plus the full outline of the film is available to read on my website.
I have spent 5 years and my life savings on this project to date. A distribution deal is key at this point. I will say that this film is so controversial it may never be fully distributed. But I consider this a lifetime project. The grassroots will drive this no doubt. The return of the Seal of God will very likely take many years.
Cheers
Terry
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:48 am
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!New Version of the Film!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greetings All;
I wanted everyone to know that I am revising the film currently, as of 7-22-06.
For those who have purchased the first version or persons who will purchase it in the next few weeks that it may be available, it should be a collectors item, as there have only been several hundred produced globally. Anyone who has a signed copy, or signed letter with it, will have an even more rare copy.
I am currently working on a DLT master for replication. That master copy will be replicated in at least 1000 units or more per run, and is necessary to economically enter mass distrubution channels. I will be offering the new version first on a one by one basis as before through Custom Flix, Amazon, and my website. Once the new version is in place the first version will no longer be available. However I may be able to offer a wide screen version thereafter as well.
I am making this revision based on various comments regarding the film since I have made it available, but also I had a bad date on the film regarding John Dowling, and so why not make a complete revision, for the DLT Master Tape???? Additionally I am tweeking out the color, sharpen, blurr and other elements frame by frame.
This is basically the same film, however several comments must be deleted based on the 90 minute time factor, and some new and more clearly defined info will be added. The ending will also be changed based on the time since the Supreme Court set down its decision against Medical Marijuana States, and a friend named Roger C. who suggested I should end the film more positively. Additionally based on the comments above from the Rt. Rev. Gregory Karl Davis, I feel it is necessary to more fully define Sara Benet in this, as well as other scriptural issues.
Regarding the website, I consider this a work in progress and it will be continuously updated as I find time to do it. Certainly I will be first concerned with changes which reflect the film. This takes alot of time and work, but it is worth it to me in the spread the info.
Hopefully the fulfillment of Rev. 7 and the return of the Seal of God will take place in our lifetime.
God Bless
Terry Winger
“Demand They Return God`s Holy Oil”
www.freeanointing.org
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:26 am
Thanks to Rev. Roger Christy for the weights and measures and thanks to Rev. Tom Brown for the informative brochure. We are making efforts here in California to make available the anointing oil freely to the Church body as described in Acts. Also thanks to Rev. Eddy Lepp for providing the means neccesary to produce the first full batch in this era. We are able to disperse 1oz dropper bottles for free to any ministerial effort in need. Also we encourage disciples to further the ministry in thier areas and distribute the oil widely among believers. We must truly be babtized by fire.
contact HisImperialservant@sacredcannabis.org FREE ANOINTING OIL
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:52 am
Greetings Brother,
Nice to hear from you. May I suggest, that if you intend to do anything regarding the holy oil, that you connect with Roger Christie. He knows the Laws. A connection with his church may be the only only legal protection you or your group have. THC Ministries or in Canada, “The Church of the Universe”
Cheers Bro,
Otra Tiempo
Terry
August 1st, 2006 at 6:50 pm
Beloved of God:
For those not closely familiar (ever used it?) with the Holy Anointing Oil, I will add my testimony:
While attempting to replace a faulty stovepipe, I wrenched my arm, pulling ligaments and tendons while falling from a ladder. Hospital said it would take several operations to repair, and m ight never regain full use! I cried to my Reverend Brother, Tom Brown, who gave me an ounce of Holy Anointing Oil that he prepared, using Reverend Brother Roger Christie’s Recipe. For any who need this reciipe to prepare your own HAO, it is available from all the above-mentioned ministers.
I anointed my arm for three days, about every three-fours hours, with miraculous results, as the tendons had reattached to the bone, with full and complete use restored…no pain from the first anointing onward.
Sent other miraculous healings to Revs Roger christie and Tom Brown, who are my mentors in this special healing ministry.
Thus far we have 100% healing activity, especially with internal use. A member of Reverend Brown’s original Canthiest Church, known as “Our Church,” was hurting so bad from VAMC extracted teeth (all of them) and spent ninety days in agony with open sores that refused to heal, she rubbed the HAO onto her gums. She did this as a last resort, as nothing helped. HAO healed her in three days! Now she makes and uses HAO, as should all who share this meeting place.
We can send a sample of HAO and Reverend Roger Christie’s Recipe, to anyone asking for it, at no cost.
So let the Healing begin!
Brotherpaul
November 5th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
Hello..and I am looking for the name of the artist and/or painting that is shown on this website under the ‘free God’s holy annointing oil’ link. If you can supply this information it would be much appreciated..thank you….
November 8th, 2006 at 10:54 am
Hi Renee,
The title and Author is now under the picture.
Cheers
Terry Winger
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Reverend Winger,
We greatly appreciate your work on the Fire Baptism. I purchased five copies for showing to my congregation.
In doing my own research here, the word from orthodox Hebrew scholars is, indeed keneh-bosem is cannabis. Period. As an ancient plant product, both now as in the past, cannabis is cultivated for both the cane and the aromatic flower tops. Hashish is nothing more than the sifted “dust” from the dried flowers. Posing the question regarding the word “incense” being the same as “hashish”, I was informed that the Hebrew word is simply hashish.
The passage in Exodus is clear that keneh-bosem must be compounded in the Holy Anointing Oil.
Peace and blessings,
Reverend Ryan
Toronto Assembly Mission of God
February 2nd, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Dear Reverend Ryan,
Thanks for your support. I hope you enjoy the film. The key issue here is use of the Oil for the Christian anointing. The Hebrew use of the oil was strictly for priests and kings. If the earliest Christian Fathers state that this anointing is how we are to called Christians then the term anti-christ has new meaning. Certainly the return of the seal of God is fortold in Revelation 7. Every one seems to be waiting for the appearance of an evil Satanic Anti-Christ. Yet what if the term anti-christ literally meant the deception of the Holy Anointing Oil? Based on that the entire Christian World are “False Anointed” since the early days of the Roman Catholic Church.
I intend to write a thesis on this which I will post on my website in the future.
Thanks again
God Bless
Brother Terry
April 7th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Calamus vs Cannabis In the Holy Oil ????
Recently there were a couple of articles on the web coming down on the entire concept that cannabis was in the Holy Anointing Oil in Exodus, as well as Religious Cannabis use. So I wanted make an effort to dispel just a couple of them here.
“Calamus not Cannabis is the correct translation, in Exodus 30:23
“If you actually buy the Calamus translation for the Holy Oil, then you assume that God specified in Exodus 30:23 a drug commonly known as Ecstasy. Calamus contains an ingredient called aserone. This is a hallucinogen which is metabolized in the liver as trimethoxyamphetamine or ecstasy. The Middle Eastern version of this plant is far more toxic than it`s North American Cousin. This is deadly to flies and other insects.
The Hebrew in the Bible within Exodus 30:23 has been more correctly translated in some Bibles as Fragrant Cane, not calamus. Kaneh being translated as cane and bos as fragrant. However the two words were linked together through time as one kaneh-bosm or kanabos. According to the Websters New world Hebrew dictionary kanabos is hemp or cannabis. There is just no doubt about it.
“The Septuagint translates Kaneh-bosm as Calamus which is not cannabis”
This a very interesting argument and not fully addressed by many researchers on this subject. The Septuagint written around 250 AD was per tradition written by seventy Jewish scholars who all agreed on the translation. This was a translation from the Hebrew to the Greek of the Torah. Sula Benet, argued that the translation of the Kaneh-bosm as Calamus was a mistranslation in the Septuagint. If you look at this in the Strong’s concordance where they pronounce this as Kaw-Naw, a reed, calamus, and cane are listed as possible translations. It is where the bos is fused to the word where this is apperent. So then to pronounce this we have kaw-naw-bos, or kanabos. Again according to the Websters New world Hebrew dictionary kanabos is hemp or cannabis. A read of Sula Benet here is even more convincing evidence.
“Anointing with the “cannabis” based oil has no redeeming value.”
I have previously in the Fire Baptism portion of the website quoted several early Christians, that it was by this anointing that we became Christians.
For the Father anointed the Son, and the Son anointed the Apostles, and the Apostles anointed us. Gospel of Phillip
If Jesus was called “Christ” by receiving the Holy Anointing Oil, how are we to be called Christians? One would assume that we must also be anointed with the same, Holy Anointing Oil, or Nazer Oil, as described in Exodus 30:23.
The Chrism or (anointing) is superior to baptism, for it is from the word chrism that we are called Christians. Gospel of Phillip.
“Are you unwilling to be anointed with the Oil of God? Wherefore we are called Christians on this account, because we are anointed with the oil of God.” Theophilus of Antioch (181AD)
The pharmakeia argument and the association with cannabis in witchcraft.
There are Greek references to “Pharmakeia” in the Book of Revelation and translated into ’sorcery’ in most modern Bibles. Also cannabis became associated with witchcraft during the inquisition where millions were burnt at the stake as witches. Many modern theologians argue this against cannabis users. Therefore they argue that cannabis cannot be part of the Holy Oil and the Christian Churches perpetuate the war against cannabis and its use. Well perhaps they should try to shut down all pharmacies and all doctors. Perhaps they should build more prisons, burn millions more at the stake, continue to declare others heretics. But Jesus thought us differently. You can know the false teachers by their fruits. Perhaps at Judgement Day we will know who the true heretics and who the true false anointed are?????
Cheers
Terry
June 20th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
I am a survivor of fundamentalism and I have never felt freer in my life. I always had problems with the viciousness of what the OT presents as a loving and merciful God. Also, that a ‘loving’ god who is ‘no respector’ of persons could pick out a small group of people and turn them into murdering and raping thugs is not something I could embrace.
I think Thomas Paine was on the right track when he said that the god of the bible is nothing more than a devil pretending to be god. I agree. I also believe, as Paine , that there is a Creator, but he is not an insane psychopath. What kind of good god would create a universe full of wonder and beauty that runs in perfect dependable harmony and then create mankind with the intention of teaching them to be ’stoned’ in order to communicate with him? What kind of sense does that make. I don’t care if Moses or Tinker Bell smoked pot. The True Creator gave us all common sense and a mind to find truth without dope. History is written by the winners and the history we have been given is one lie on top of another. All religion is evil and if the world desires the seedy unsavory deeds of the men who have presented this disgusting ‘doctrine’, all I can say is go for it! As for myself, I do believe in one God and one Creator. He didn’t need to send another ’savior’ to do anything for Him. I have gone through my life with a clear mind and I intend to continue on that way. It seems awfully strange that people who never were spiritual before all of a sudden have the urge to ‘find god’ if drugs and sex are to be involved.
Leaving organized religion freed me to be able to see the Glory of the Creator so clearly through His creations. His creations and handiwork do not scream hellfire and brimstone. Neither do His creations bid us to cloud our minds and become addicts. I worked in the medical field for a long time and I have seen more than my share of those who thought the use of cannabis was not addictive. Think again. Oh sure, while in the drug induced state, you most likely will be able to talk, see and interact with god, but which god? My advice is to think carefully before choosing a way of life that may be to your own destruction. The whole concept of approaching god by means of drugs is completely revolting and also frightening. Charles Manson was a pot head along with his mindless followers who thought he was Christ. Then there was Jim Jones, David Koresh, Applewhite and on and on it goes. History has proven that we learn NOTHING from history. If the use of drugs was the reason for the murdering, raping, stealing and ungodly behavior of the Isrealites and most every other group named in the bible, I will pass. I don’t need or want a ‘god in a cloud of pot smoke’ saying anything to me. How anyone can read that book called the bible and want to imitate anything found there must already be stoned. What a sad sad waste of human life and potential.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Thank you Becky for your comments,
What we are talking about is a Holy Anointing Oil listed in the Bible which contains cannabis. The website and the film discuss the history of this oil and its use in the Fire Baptism of Jesus as well as his and the Apostles use of it for healing. The Holy Oil was burnt upon the incense inside the Temple, no doubt an entheogenic experience. Also use of enthogens in religion has been practiced for thousands of years.
You stated above, “I think Thomas Paine was on the right track when he said that the god of the bible is nothing more than a devil pretending to be god. I agree.”
Based on your comment you feel that the God of Moses and the anointing oil which gives the title “Christ” or Christian is of no use and a waist of time.
You also write ” I do believe in one God and one Creator. He didn’t need to send another ’savior’ to do anything for Him.”
Based on this comment, you also have no use for Jesus Christ either.
You obviously have no time for cannabis as a medical professional, even though it was used as a medicine for centuries. I am sure your perfect God never created cannabis a natural plant in your mind, but I bet you routinely administer loads of synthetic drugs in your profession.
You also state, “How anyone can read that book called the bible and want to imitate anything found there must already be stoned.”
Based on your comment, you also have no time for the Bible either.
Yet it is strange that you come to comment on a site such as this.
I think you should have the right to practice your Religion as you like. But to hold a religious discussion with you on the Bible, Jesus Christ, the anointing, or Christianity is a sad waist of my time. Meanwhile I am sure that building more prisons for cannabis users, for religion or any other purpose is just dandy, for you.
May your diety, whoever it is, Bless and comfort you.
Cheers
July 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Becky,
For someone that has had problems with the viciousness of what the OT presents as a loving and merciful God and, being what you consider a “survivor” of fundamentalism, it is no surprise you embody the opinions you do.
The only problem with this is that as a “survivor” you are still a by-product of that which you’ve rejected. Your leaving organized religion may have left you feeling as if you’ve escaped fundamentalism but obviously it has neither left you unscathed or without obvious venom towards others who have found what you could not or did not find.
It is of no great surprise that thinking of oneself as being a “survivor” plus having “long time” medical field expertise by extension would contain sufficient aspects necessary to bestow the illusion of having the ability to “see the Glory of the Creator so clearly through His creations (and handiwork)”, but it is only that, an illusion. The assumption of embracing the Creator while denying the origins of the Creator in shamanic practice and tradition, which incidentally is a precursor of traditional religion, is a classic example of embellishing the Creator to suit emotional needs, as well.
I would have hoped that someone from the medical field could demonstrate some of the understanding, compassion and wisdom that a “good god” would exemplify but that would be expecting too much of someone with a clear bias against cannabis. What I do find amusing, however, is the idea that by embellishing the truth about contemporary individuals to, cite an example, fit an argument, or illustrate a point of view, it actually substantiates or adds credence to that opinion. It does not. Especially when there is so much information to the contrary, eg. Charles Manson was NOT a “pot head”, if anything, he was into LSD. But then there seems to be so much of that type of propaganda (”reefer madness”, that is) going around these days that I suppose it is to be expected. It is neither new or difficult to defend against considering the history of cannabis prohibition in America.
Your question, “What kind of good god would create a universe full of wonder and beauty that runs in perfect dependable harmony and then create mankind with the intention of teaching them to be ’stoned’ in order to communicate with him?”, naively misses the point entirely. The so-called notion of wonder and beauty being based in dependable harmony fails to consider the brutality of nature, for starters!
Utilizing cannabis as a conduit to communicate with God is but one means of reaping the bounty of this healing herb bearing seed; the general utility of the cannabis hemp plant is world renowned for good reason. This is an aspect of this bounty of the Creator as alluded to in Divine Scripture (that you don’t subscribe to); one that is based on hard archaeological, historical and scientific fact about cannabis and our relationship to it, as a species. One that according to Dr. Robert Melamede, Ph.D., who, in ‘Conducting Scientific research on Cannabinoids’, states, “The Cannabinoid System has been around for over 600 million years. Before the Dinosaurs. The Cannabinoid System is continuously evolutioning and has been retained by all new species. Food and feeding is at the heart of the Cannabinoid System.” [ http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=3194 ]
I find your use of Thomas Paine both ironic (to say the least) and morbid, because Paine, I believe would have voiced utter revulsion for the manner in which you have besmirched his memory by attaching his revulsion of the Calvinism of the day to the nature of Brother Terry Wingers’ quest (which, ultimately, is a quest for truth as well.) That is not to say, however, that cannabis has not been used to some dastardly ends, clearly history documents that as well. But considering that the human animal abuses so much of what the Creator has provided, always to our own chagrin, why should it be expected to be any different where cannabis is concerned? In a modern context, why shouldn’t some, already hamstrung by legal and mainstream social and religious ostracisms, not be expected to either be tempted and more by prohibition, or to rally against a corruption no less vile than anything Thomas Paine railed against? ( That being the opportunism found in all religious dogma)
Considering that the second paragraph of The Age of Reason, Part One by Thomas Paine (1793) clearly articulates, “The circumstance that has now taken place in France, of the total abolition of the whole national order of priesthood, and of everything appertaining to compulsive systems of religion, and compulsive articles of faith, has not only precipitated my intention, but rendered a work of this kind exceedingly necessary, lest, in the general wreck of superstition, of false systems of government, and false theology, we lose sight of morality, of humanity, and of the theology that is true.”
The closing line of The Age of Reason, Part One best illustrates the philosophy he espoused, “…Adam, if ever there was such a man, was created a Deist; but in the mean time, let every man follow, as he has a right to do, the religion and worship he prefers.”
[ http://classicliberal.tripod.com/paine/aor1.html ]
July 21st, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Becky,
Thank you for your post; it really made me think deeply.
I also could never embrace any ideal that a loving God picked out a small group of people and turned them into murdering and raping thugs; I am not aware of any instance of Jesus encouraging persons to be violent, mean and harmful to each other. I am absolutely certain that Jesus would never encourage burning and torturing people, yet this was done in his name…he foretold this as well and was deeply saddened by it. The key for me was to see this truth. Ghandi once said “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”. This is a though provoking and, sadly, necessary statement.
You said that your diety has no need to send a ’savior’ to do anything for him (you referred to “him” so I will also) then I must wonder what then must be the purpose of the persons that he created? Jesus saves from all hate, Ghandi saves from violence and ignorance, Martin Luther King saves from slavery and oppression, Mother Theressa saves from poverty and hunger…I won’t go on, it seems to me that there is alot of saving messages that have been brilliantly delivered (although I must comment that Jesus did fully address them all…perfectly). I thank the God and Creator who sent these messages of Love and Peace and that I have been blessed with the wisdom to know good fruits from rotten ones.
Let us explore Creations as this theme occurred several times in your post. I am also a lover and admirer of living creations. I respect and admire all natural living creations and am amazed daily by the balance and order of it all. Most notably I am awestruck by the necessity and purpose of each creation. Since the topic of our talk in this community is the Tree of Life (you must understand that I will not use the hateful and ignorantly derogatory word “dope” because it is hurtful, disrespectful and offensive to the Creator). Perhaps in infinite wisdom, knowing that we have free will (as God is no slave master) endowed mankind with blessings to calm and curb our obvious overall freely chosen violent tendencies or to help us endure the violent choices of others (merely one possibility of such a brilliant and lovely creation…food, medicine and shelter are among others). Despite the attempts to cite examples such as Charles Manson I must remind you that Manson did not promote nor encourage peace and did not walk as a Christ nor in the path of the Christ. Millions of persons use the blessed creation (some certainly more respectfully than others) and do NOT commit murder and promote violence…I hold these millions of examples to the 4 you provided. Maybe Manson also ate Snickers bars and drank Folgers…could be that was the cause, but I doubt it. As a thinking person I must believe that it was his own free will and love of hate that did it…seems to me that he just wasn’t walking in a peaceful Christlike manner. Or we could just conversely choose to believe that if he had just been “clear headed” he would have been a really valuable contribution to society, but you know, that really doesn’t wash when I witness the “clear headed” interviews he has given from prison. Currently he just seems to be full of some kind of clear headed rotten fruit. I pray that he too will manage to find a way to recognize and know peace and love.
You seem to be a very intelligent person who recognizes that many bad deeds have been done in the name of religion, and I agree. It is difficult to try to see while doing it thru a dirty window…nobody every promised that it would be easy, the truth is not always easy. You call me stoned because I read the Bible and choose to follow the messages of Love and Peace I find there, I stand stoned…people have been throwing stones at me and my brethren for the entirety of history. I just want you to know that, with each blow, I love you. I stand in an old community, as an old soul, that will never die…as a lovely humble Ironweed am I.
I beg your pardon if your offended by my garden.
Peace Be With You!
July 21st, 2007 at 4:46 pm
I forgot to mention to everyone to please pardon any spelling or grammar errors in my post above. I do try to watch out for such, but I become hurried and miss these things sometimes.
Thanks to all for the opportunity to communicate here.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Thank you Angela and welcome to the discussion.
I loved your Ghandi quote. That was a real pleasure to read. The 1700 year history of the Roman Catholics persecutions of anyone not practicing religion as they demanded, is a real turn off to many no doubt. I agree there is no teaching of Jesus Christ to justify these actions of murder and torture. I do briefly cover this in the web site and the film.
Yet a study of this Church is key to finding the original Jesus and Christianity. Certainly the current Catholic Church is an Great institution, and they do help the poor in many countries. The Roman Empire was the Beast of Revelation, not the Catholic Church.
Jesus taught of a God of Light, Love, Forgiveness, and Mercy. He rejected the God of Blood Sacrifice yet he taught from the teaching in the Old Testament as well as the Zoroastrian Texts. This all becomes very apparent if you study all these ancient texts. Jesus only taught love for all.
What is exciting for me, is to be a part in the fulfillment of Revelation 7, or the return of the seal of God which contains cannabis. There is no doubt about it.
Anyway thanks for joining in.
Cheers
Terry
July 22nd, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Terry,
It is exciting; I find it impossible to concentrate upon the fulfillments and not be consumed with joy. It is all so eloquently fascinating.
I suppose that the name Ghandi doesn’t often come up in the run of the mill Biblical discussion arenas, but his was certainly a beautiful expression of humanity; and this particular community and forum is obviously a place comprised of persons who enjoy thinking of beautiful expressions of humanity so I felt free to express. It is so vital for persons to concentrate, to the greatest extent possible, upon Love, Freedom and Peace.
I once made a sweeping hard stance decision about a group of people. I would not even consider reading about or otherwise allowing myself to be exposed to them; despite the fact that I knew we shared and agreed upon one major viewpoint that is very important to me. Out of nothing but extreme boredom, for having read absolutely everything I could on the subject and having nowhere else to go to satisfy the boredom I finally scrapped the fear…simply because I HAD to have something else to read. It was absolutely the best thing that ever happened to me; it was the day that I realized I had the power of freedom…it was a good day.
Becky is a person that has a questioning and inquisitive nature and I see some strength of independence there also. I like these things in people; these are some of my most favorite people qualities. I say that if your life is bringing you happiness and peace, therefore expressing love, then thank you for bringing it into the world.
Peace Be With You,
Angela
July 22nd, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Hi Angela,
Well regarding Becky and others who have come down on myself or Christianity, I can understand their feelings, especially coming from fundamental backgrounds. We all go through times like these. I have had bible thumpers trying to sway my thoughts of Jesus too. But I am so far beyond the Bible in my research that it almost becomes impossible to discuss the matter without a common frame of reference.
They assume that the Bible is the absolute word of God. One verse is used to condemn other groups. A perfect example is the term Pharmakia which is translated as sorcery. This is then attached to cannabis use (Drugs) and used to condemn an entire group of people. Look at the slaughter of the anabaptists who simply disagreed with baby baptism. I can see why people get turned off. They want to threaten you with damnation and Hells fire, when the oldest traditions held that Jesus broke open the gates of hell. Oh and lets forget about all the teachings on reincarnation because those were never included in the Bible. Everybody is sitting around waiting for a rapture when the whole concept of a rapture was not invented until the 1800s. LOL.
You know you just have to smile and love them. As for me, I have simply loved the research. It has been so much fun digging into the early Church Councils and the writings of all these early Christians. It is sad that so many texts were lost to flames of ignorance. It is a shame that Christians can’t seem to stick with the the basics; Love, Mercy, and Forgiveness. Maybe if they did it would be a better world.
Cheers
Terry
August 4th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
To Brother Wayne Phillips,
Dear Brother Wayne Phillips,
I just found my password and logged on as administrator again only to find your comments re: becky were being held for moderation. I thought that had been corrected but there were several other comments were also posted and being held. Very sorry for that.
It appears that comments with web links are set aside for moderation. I was not aware of that, and I have not logged on as administrator for a while. But some of these posts were nothing but spam and linking to teen sex sites, and did need to be moderated. I will try to look at these more often and again my sincere apologies. Your thoughts are always well thought out and a great addition to the discussion.
Regarding other comments here which have multitudes of links and virtually no comments I am going to hold them from the discussion as the have little value to this blog.
Cheers
Terry Winger
August 7th, 2007 at 4:32 am
Thank you, Terry.
That Dr. Robert Melamede’s findings regarding the cannabinoid system, interestingly enough, coincides to the Genesis’ Creation passages should be enough reason for politicians professing allegiance to Christianity to revisit the cannabis issue but it isn’t. In spite of all God’s various covenants according to Scripture (which all include references to herb bearing seed), confirmation by Hebrew University (1980) regarding the Holy Anointing Oil of Exodus 30:23-25 and the succession from Noah, Abram (Abraham), and Moses thru to David, Solomon and Christ Jesus (or, more likely, because of it), the Tree of Life, cannabis, remains prohibited by man not God.
However, since the cannabinoid system is so integral to our well-being, not only does it go against God’s Divine Purpose to make the utilization and production of cannabis a crime, it highlights Man’s age old propensity to do things Man’s way then selectively look to find context for his/her actions in Scripture. Therein is humanity’s fatal flaw. The Bible is full of examples of God’s displeasure with those whom set themselves up in high places, presume to know God’s workings and intent, then implement law and practice contrary to the will of God.
The Bible ponders Man’s relationship to God; as such, it is a glimpse into the nature, origin and identity of Man. It should not be dismissed out of hand because it holds up to us a reflection of our own brutality. A characteristic which, incidentally, is every bit as venerated in 2007 as it was in the days of Noah. To justify brutality attired in the raiment of “just cause” by referencing Scripture in a manner that is so woefully out of context it is an insult to listen to would have been no less vitriolic to peace loving peoples of any era.
Be well,
Rev. Bro. Wayne Phillips
North Point Missions of God,
The Assembly of The Church of the Universe
August 7th, 2007 at 5:05 am
RE the Church of Cognizance and comments of an Old Testament Professor from the Northern Baptist Seminary.
I wanted to comment on a discussion I am having with Claude Mariottini
of Lombard, Illinois a professor of the Old Testament at Northern Baptist Seminary since 1988. It appears that that this man has no intention of a fair debate on the Holy Oil.
Now when you read this supposed experts comments you will notice he is a little confused about the difference tree of life and the tree of the knowlege of good and evil. He argues that Adam never partook of the tree of life. He states: Did Adam get to smoke a joint while he was in the Garden of Eden? How does being an Old Testament professor make you an expert in Zoroastrianism or to even comment on it? Who makes you a judge of other folks religions? So what if Adam never partook of the tree of life?
I am truely glad that I never studied under this man, yet in a court of Law this mans thoughts as an expert witness could be used to convict some one to prison. I have posted a few times on this mans website where only one comment was included as of this date 8/7/07.
Professor Mariottini are you afraid of the discussion regarding cannabis in the Holy Oil? Is a fair discussion of this too much for you? Are you afraid of the truth? If that is the case then I feel really sorry for your students, sir. Are you a false teacher sir? Is the use of cannabis a wrong action in your Christianity and everyone elses religions as well?
I would like to post here what has been written on this site and also a copy of my comments which as of 8/6/07 have not been included.
From Professor Claude Mariottini May 24th,2007
Marijuana and Archaeology
It is amazing how the teachings of the Old Testament are used to justify the wrong actions of people. By taking a biblical text out of its context, a person can prove anything.
Now, people are using archaeology to justify the use of marijuana. Take for example, the case of Dan and Mary Quaintance, members of the Church of Cognizance in Pima, New Mexico. The Quaintances were arrested recently by New Mexico police because they were caught with 172 pounds of marijuana in their possession.
In their own defense, they said marijuana was necessary for them to practice their Zoroastrian faith. In defending their use of marijuana, Mr. Quaintance said:
“Archaeology has shown a correlation between cannabis and the Tree of Life in the Bible.”
In denying that Dan and Mary Quaintance were members of the Zoroastrian faith, Mr. Rustom Kevala, president of the Federation of Zoroastrian Associations of North America, said marijuana has never been a part of the religious practices of Zoroastrianism.
In addition, Mr. Parizad Patel-Pascuicco, secretary of the Zoroastrian Association of Arizona, said: “One of the crucial aspects of the Zoroastrian religion is that members are fire-worshippers and are forbidden to even light a cigarette, much less use drugs.”
This issue of marijuana in the Garden of Eden has great relevance for society today. If the Tree of Life in Genesis was marijuana, then we must ask ourselves this important question: Did Adam get to smoke a joint while he was in the Garden of Eden?
Again, if the Tree of Life was marijuana, then the answer to the question above is obvious. In Genesis 3:22-23 we read:
Then the Lord God said, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!” So the Lord God banished them from the Garden of Eden.
(He continues:) This verse clearly teaches that Adam never ate from the tree of life. So, contrary to Mr. Quaintance’s theology, Adam never had the opportunity to touch any tree belonging to genus Canna (Cannabis).
Again, if the Tree of Life was marijuana, then, people who smoke marijuana should notice this important lesson from Genesis: God banished Adam from the Garden of Eden so that he should not touch marijuana (the Tree of Life). Do you think people will learn this lesson? Probably not!
I have another question: Who was the archaeologist that came to the conclusion that the Tree of Life was Cannabis? Maybe that archaeologist saw Paradise while he was smoking the Tree of Life.
Read the article, Church of Cognizance out of line with zoroastrian religion, written by Adam Gaub and learn more about Zoroastrianism by clicking here.
Claude Mariottini
Professor of Old Testament
Northern Baptist Seminary
Tags: Marijuana, Archaeology
My first comment which was included:
Greetings Claud,
RE: Cannabis and the Holy Oil!!
I welcome you to review my website www.freeanointing.org. I am the producer of the New Film “The Fire Baptism and the Lost Sacraments”
Many early Christian writers talk about the anointing with Gods Holy Oil as how we are called Christians. Few are aware that the Holy Oil in Exodus 30:23 contains 6 pounds of marijuana.
I offer an excerpt of the text:
Cannabis in the Holy Oil??
The original Hebrew for calamus, is Kaneh-bosem or Qaneh (Kaw-naw) Bosm. Some translations have this as “fragrant cane” or “aromatic cane.” Some researchers have argued that this is actually Sweet Cane or Sugar Cane, although the term sweet does not occur in the original manuscripts.
In the Hebrew terms such as Elohim (Pronounced El- Oh- Heem ) is rendered plural. So in the Hebrew Kaneh-bosem is also plural. The singular then is rendered Kaneh-bos.
Kaneh-Bos sounds remarkably close to the modern day word Cannabis. Could it be that cannabis was the plant given by God to be used in the Holy Anointing Oil?
Cannabis has certainly been cultivated since the beginning of recorded history. Its uses for rope, sails and rigging into ancient times are well documented.
Imagine the amount of cannabis rope it would have taken to construct the Temple of Solomon. What other way was there to construct ropes at that time, which could lift the weights of not only the Temple of Solomon, but in fact, the Pyramids themselves.
Cannabis was thought to be an Indo-European word specifically of Scythian Origin. The Scythians were largely responsible for the spread of cannabis into Europe. The Scythe, was an invention of the Scythians, used for the harvest of cannabis. This has come to us in the legends of the “Grim Reaper”
Herodotus, an early Greek ethnographer, in the 5th Century BC wrote of the Scythians and their use of cannabis.
The Scythians as they were known by the Greeks, were known, by the Semites as the Ashkenaz. Among the earliest references to Ashkenaz people is found in Genesis 10:3 where Ashkenaz was listed as the son of Gomer, the great Grandson of Noah. The Sythians lived around and traded with the Semites at least as early as 600 BC.
Zoroaster the prophet of the Ancient Magi, whose kings followed the Star of Bethlehem based on the ancient prophesies, used a drink called Haoma which has been documented to contain cannabis.
As early as 1925 experts have argued that, both the Assyrians and the Babylonians, used Cannabis in their temple incense, Circa 500 BC.
In 1993, the Albany New York Times Union reported, that the first physical evidence that Marijuana was used as a medicine in the ancient Mideast, was found. The Israeli scientists found residue of marijuana along with the skeleton of a girl who had died 1600 years before.
In this press release, researchers from the Hebrew University, stated that references to marijuana as a medicine are seen as far back as 1,600 BC in Egyptian, Assyrian, Greek, and Roman Writings.
If you actually buy the Calamus translation for the Holy Oil, then you assume that God specified in Exodus 30:23 a drug commonly known as Ecstasy. Calamus contains an ingredient called aserone. This is a hallucinogen which is metabolized in the liver as trimethoxyamphetamine or ecstasy. The Middle Eastern version of this plant is far more toxic than it`s North American Cousin. This is deadly to flies and other insects.The Exodus 30:23 reference refers to sweet Calamus. If you look at this in the Strong’s concordance where they spell this as qaneh rather than kaneh, they pronounce this as Kaw-Naw, a reed, calamus, and cane are listed as possible translations. The term sweet used in Exodus 30:23 in Hebrew is Bosem. According to the Webster’s New World Hebrew Dictionary, Bosem is perfume; scent. The Concordance: the Hebrew is Bosem #1314, fragrance, by impl. spicery; also the balsam plant:—-smell, spice, sweet (odour). In some Bibles sweet calamus is translated as aromatic or fragrant Cane. It is where the bosem is fused to the word kaneh or qaneh that the cannabis translation becomes apparent. So then to pronounce this we have kaw-naw-bosem, and is spelled in English qaneh-bosem or kaneh-bosem.
In 1936, Sara Benetowa, later Known as Sula Benet, an etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences, in Warsaw wrote a treatise, “Tracing One Word Through Different Languages.” This was a study on the word Cannabis, based on a study of the oldest Hebrew texts. Although the word cannabis was thought to be of Scythian origin, Benet’s research showed it had an earlier root in the Semitic Languages such as Hebrew. Benet demonstrated that the ancient Hebrew word for Cannabis is Kaneh -Bosem. She also did another study called Early Diffusion and Folk Uses of Hemp. There is a reprint of this in Cannabis and Culture ISBN:90-279-7669-4. On page 44, she states, “The sacred character of hemp in biblical times is evident from Exodus 30:23, where Moses was instructed by God to anoint the meeting tent and all of its furnishings with specially prepared oil, containing hemp.” On page 41 Sula Benet writes, : In the course of time, the two words kaneh and bosem were fused into one , kanabos or kannabus know to us from the Mishna. According to the Webster’s New World Hebrew Dictionary, page 607 the Hebrew for hemp is kanabos.
Sara Benetowa discovered that the Kaneh-Bosm or Cannabis is mentioned 5 times in the Old Testament. The first occurrence appears in the Holy Anointing Oil as Calamus, (Exodus 30:23). Sara argued that the translation of Calamus was a mistranslation which occurred in the oldest Bible the “Septuagint” and the mistranslation was copied in later versions.
But what is the effect to the baptism?
You may argue that the Anointing with the cannabis based oil has no redeeming value. I would like to point out that all Orthodox Churches practice the Chrism anointing. What started me into The Fire Baptism and the Lost Sacraments is that not one Church uses the Holy Anointing Oil as described in Exodus 30:23 even with the Calamus translation.
The Bible is very clear that this was the only oil to be used.
This shall be a “holy anointing oil” unto me throughout your generations. Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people. Exodus 30:31-33
Christ in the Greek, and the Messiah in Hebrew, means “the anointed ” For Jesus to receive the title “Christ”, he must have been anointed with the Holy Anointing Oil or Nazer Oil, as given to Moses in Exodus 30:23.
The only scriptural reference to Jesus being anointed is in Bethany. But this is a record of Jesus being anointed with a Spikenard Oil. This would not convey the title Christ. The title “Christ” was only given by someone who is anointed with the Holy Anointing Oil or Nazer Oil, as described in Exodus 30:23.
Some early Gnostic Christians teachings held that Jesus was not made Christ with an earthly oil, but in fact anointed by God in heaven.
For the Father anointed the Son, and the Son anointed the Apostles, and the Apostles anointed us. Gospel of Phillip
If Jesus was called “Christ” by receiving the Holy Anointing Oil, how are we to be called Christians? One would assume that we must also be anointed with the same, Holy Anointing Oil, or Nazar Oil, as described in Exodus 30:23.
The Chrism or (anointing) is superior to baptism, for it is from the word chrism that we are called Christians. Gospel of Phillip.
“Are you unwilling to be anointed with the Oil of God? Wherefore we are called Christians on this account, because we are anointed with the oil of God.” Theophilus of Antioch (181AD)
Well Claude I hope you have found this interesting. Perhaps it gives new meaning to the term “False Anointed”. Perhaps Revelation 7 and the return of the Seal of God will take place.
Cheers
Terry Winger
Claude Mariottini Response dated may 24th 2007.
Terry,
Thank you for your very interesting email. Your email deserves a more detailed response. Because of my seminary work, I am unable to give a detailed response to your email now. Please, return in about 2 weeks and I will post a response on my blog.
Thank you for your good email. And thank you for visiting my blog.
Claude Mariottini
An anoynomus writer then responds:
At July 31, 2007 3:00 PM, Anonymous said…
this is so crazy even if the holy oil had 5000 lbs of Cannabis, the bible clearly states the oil is only used for king annoiting and used by levites in temple service, any one else darn use it, shall be banished from God’s people forever. learn to read the bible folks, and get the facts first. the use of cannabis would easily not been used by normally jews. so I busted the theory, sorry folks to brust your bubble.
Now I responded to this fully however it was never included in the discussion. Unfortunately I did not make a copy of my response. I did correct this person, that the oil was used for the anointing of priests followed by several quotes of early Christians on how it was by this anointing that we were called Christians and that if he denied the Old Testament Holy Oil then he also denied the title Christ for Jesus and the title Christian for himself. This was followed by several early Christian quotes which prooved that contention. My comments were not included yet after this point Professor Claude Mariottini had this to say:
August 04, 2007 5:56 PM, Dr. Claude Mariottini said…
Dear Friend,
I agree with you. I am still planning to respond to Terry Winger because her view of marijuana in the Bible is completely wrong. I have not had the time yet to respond to what she wrote but I will soon.
Thank you for visiting my blog.
Claude Mariottini
I then wrote on 8/6/07:
Strange Professor, I just posted a response to your anonymous respondent only to find it was never posted. By the way I am a man not a her. Are you going to deny an open discussion of this? If so I certainly will post it on my website. Why is it so hard to believe that a true plant of God as given in Genesis 1-29 would be a basic sacrament?
Cheers
Terry Winger
Now in as much as I cannot seem to get my comments posted on this mans web site, I wanted to include them here. I will in the future post any comments from this mans site here as well as my comments just to keep the record straight.
Perhaps we can get a fair and open discussion.
Cheers
Terry
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
diet…
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November 8th, 2007 at 3:19 am
requesting free anointing oil.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Me too, I would like to try some of this oil, and learn if I can make it.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:57 am
sorry, I see you answered me on the other page…
November 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Making the Holy Oil
I gave a discussion on the othe page on this issue with Truth Seeker. I wanted to post this here as well:
Truth Seeker Says:
November 4th, 2007 at 4:27 pm e
I would like to know how to get this oil sent to me… and how to use it… and how to make it.
God bless you and please advise,
Truth Seeker.
Administrator Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 4:33 am e
Greetings Truth Seeker,
Thank you for your comments and inquiries. This is certainly is something which should be addressed here.
There are groups which have contacted me and are willing supply small amounts (IE: Drams) of the oil for religious anointing or healing and they are listed within my web site. I am not sure of their requirements nor their rituals in the making of the Holy Oil, but I think they require membership to obtain it, or at least membership on how to make it. They are not related in any way to me other than, in my respect for their efforts to heal with this oil or their religious dialog. I am aware of at least 2 cases with-in these groups, where the oil was administered religiously to persons with Gangrene in the legs, where amputation was eminent. The application of the Holy Oil resulted with total salvation of these persons legs. I am also aware of other healing’s with the Holy Oil. However my understanding is that these were repeated treatments over a period of time, along with prayer.
That said, depending on the Country where you reside you could be at great risk to make a full batch of the Holy Anointing Oil, as described in Exodus 30:23. Certainly in the United States you could face 30 years in prison for possession of the 6 pounds of Cannabis required in Exodus 30:23 to make this oil, and you will very likely be denied to make a religious use case here. And that is based on the fact that every case that I have seen or looked at historically, save for one Rastafarian case in Guam has not been victorious.
I will say that I have never seen a case come forth regarding the making of the Holy Oil in the USA. However there are many groups including Rastafarian’s, Ethiopian Zion Coptic’s, and numbers of other religious groups which have failed at the attempt in the Judicial System with-in the United States to even be permitted to argue religious use case, even with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in place, which made the religious use of Peyote legal for the Native American Church.
Where I live the law is that possession of under 20 grams of cannabis is a misdemeanor.
If you are looking to make the Holy Oil for Christian anointing, I can say that I have seen no reference that a lesser amount is not permitted to be made, in the Bible or any other Christian text. This is not to say that making a lessor amount was not restricted as hundreds of ancient Christian documents were burnt into non existence, by the early Church. I have in the past, written a formula on how to make the Holy Oil based on a lessor amount which can even be reduced further based on your local laws to keep your risks under a felony.
8 ozs of Olive Oil
6 ozs of pure Myrrh
6 ozs of Cassia Bark
3 ozs of Cannabis Bud
3 ozs of Cinnamon bark or leaf.
Each item is slowly boiled into to olive oil. Prayer is given throughout this process to make it acceptable unto God. Excess oil is shaken off after being boiled into the olive oil very slowly. This may require several days. At the end the oil must be exorcised with a prayer of exorcism.
Regarding anointing with this oil as far as the fire baptism goes I suggest you at least see my film because there are many aspects to the Fire Baptism.
May God Bless You
Terry Winger
TruthSeeker Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 10:49 pm e
Thank you Terry for sharing this information.
I was wondering?
After you boil it all together (in a Crockpot?) for a few days… should it be strained?
If so what is best to use?
Thanks again for the info it is truly well received.
God bless you and thank you for freeing the Holy Oil.
Administrator Says:
November 10th, 2007 at 2:36 pm e
Dear Truth Seeker
If you boil it all together at once or use powdered ingredients you will have a cake dough not oil. You boil the oil adding small amounts at a time shaking off excess as you go. You want the whole bark, leaf or bud of the ingredients. The myrrh will mostly dissolve.
Cheers
Terry
November 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Making the Holy Oil Continued
TruthSeeker Says:
November 10th, 2007 at 11:33 pm e
Terry, thanks again.
I guess I am still a little confused by the “shaking off excess as you go”?
What do you mean?
What am I shaking, and what is the excess?
This is my very first time, and as you can tell I am clueless.?.?
Thanks again,
Administrator Says:
November 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pm e
Greetings Truth Seeker,
Begin by boiling the Olive oil in a pot. Add the myrrh first. Leave it in as most will dissolve and any remaining can be stained at the end. Most will dissolve in 20 minutes or less. Next throw in small amounts of the other items at a time. Let these boil for at least 30 minutes at a time. After that take the cassia bark or cannabis bud out and shake off the excess oil that is on the bud or bark and throw it out. then repeat the process until you have boiled all the ingredients into the oil . When you are done you can strain the oil through a fine mesh strainer. You will end up with reddish brown oil with a wonderful smell.
Remember to pray unto the Father, that the Holy Oil be exorcised and for it to be acceptable, in the name of Yahsua (Jesus).
RE: Anointing
A simple anointing is a cross painted on the forehead with the Holy Oil, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. *This oil was not to be put upon a stranger as described in Exodus. For me if a person says they believe in Jesus (Yahsua), and have had water baptism, then that is good enough for me to offer the anointing.
A Chrism anointing is a cross on the forehead, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Next anoint the sides of each eye, then the nostrils, the ear lobes, the sides of the mouth, and over the heart that the person have a pure heart. Some also anoint the feet that their journey remain pure.
Good Luck
Terry
December 10th, 2007 at 1:07 am
Love Brother Terry!
I hope all is well with you and your’s! I sent you an email a while back and Haven’t heard back. I was the one who sent you the Aramaic Mishnah page earlier this year. I am not sure how long it will be before that and the other specimens I mentioned will be viewable up on line but I plan on updating my etymology articles momentarily ( I stand by them but have more details to add ) please let us know that you are well and I will return here with more details as soon as possible.
Cheers and One love,
Rev. Joshua Snider
December 12th, 2007 at 12:04 am
Hello Rev. Joshua Snider.
Yes I do remember you and your work on the Translation of Exodus 30:23. I would love to hear how you are doing on this and see your site when complete. I did not know you were doing the Aramaic here. I thought it was a Russian translation of the Targum.
In any case I wish you well with your project. It is quite Eye Opening stuff, and only adds to the research. Sula Benet of course based her research on the Aramaic as well as the original Hebrew. Best of luck on your research.
God Bless
Terry
December 12th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Love Brother Terry!
I’m glad to see you are well! Sorry, when I sent you all that stuff I probably should have sent you a better explanation of what you were looking at. Below I am posting Sarah Benetowa’s article from “The Book of Grass” (I know you’ve already read that but I’m including it so others have more context) followed by my articles. I hope these is more explanatory than what I sent you before. My appologies again.
Cheers, One love and God Bless
Joshua
TRACING ONE WORD THROUGH
DIFFERENT LANGUAGES Sara Benetowa
As evidence now shows, in antiquity hemp was used in widely differing cultures. In the following article, Sara Benetowa of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw, attempts to find out through a comparative study of languages in what cultural environment hemp was first used as a narcotic.
After having compared the words meaning hemp in Indo-European, Finnish, Turkish and Tartar, and Semitic language groups, the conclusion was reached that, leaving aside all the obviously borrowed words, either Finnish, Turkish, Celtic, or Roman, there remained four groups to investigate: 1. Sanskrit-cana; 2. Slav-konopla; 3. Semitic, for example in Assyro-Babylonia-kannab; 4. Greek: cannabis.
In all these languages the words meaning hemp have a common root: kan. This root with the double meaning of ‘hemp’ and ‘cane’ is common to almost all the languages of antiquity.
It is easy to show that ‘canna’ means both ‘hemp’ and ‘cane’. But what is the meaning of the ending ‘bis’? The answer is not difficult to find if one notices an interesting detail encountered in several Semitic texts from Oriental antiquity. For example, let us look at the original text of the Old Testament and its Aramaic translation, the ‘Targum Onculos’. The word ‘kane’ or ‘kene’ sometimes appears alone and is sometimes linked to the adjective ‘bosm’ (in Hebrew) or ‘busma’ (in Aramaic) which means: odorous, smelling good, aromatic. As I demonstrate in detailed fashion in this study, the Biblical ‘kane bosm’ and the Aramaic ‘kene busma’ both mean hemp. The linguistic evolution of the terms in question leads to the formation of the unique term ‘kanabos’ or ‘kanbos’. This is encountered in the Mischna, the collection of traditional Hebrew law which contains many Aramaic elements. The astonishing resemblance between the Semitic ‘kanbos’ and the Scythian ‘cannabis’ lead me to suppose that the Scythian word was of Semitic origin. These etymological discussions run parallel to arguments drawn from history. The Iranian Scythians were probably related to the Medes, who were neighbors of the Semites and could easily assimilated the word for hemp. The Semites could also have spread the word during their migrations through Asia Minor.
Taking into account the matriarchal element of Semitic culture, one is led to believe, that Asia Minor was the original point of expansion for both the society based on the Matriarchal circle and the mass use of hashish.
Let us look for factors which could have contributed to the start of mass use of hashish in the matriarchal circle. One important factor is that in preparing fibre from the plant and during the harvest the strong odour intoxicates the workers. According to ancient customs still surviving in modern times, all work involving hemp is done in mass. Since antiquity the hemp harvest has been considered a holiday, especially for the young people. In many countries the harvest is a sort of reunion to which guests come with or without masks and give all sorts of presents to the workers. Here we see an obvious link with the masculine secret societies in the matriarchal circle in which there is mass use of hashish. Another factor is the making of sacrifices to the ancestors, which is common practice in the masculine secret societies.
Here is another obvious link between the character of this plant used in the cult of the dead and the masculine secret societies founded on that cult. Many peculiarities of the ancestor cult can be brought forth as evidence of this.
In Poland on the night before Christmas a ritual dish is served made of hemp seeds, called ‘hemp soup’, because according to popular superstition at that time the souls of the dead visit their friends and family to feast together. Another trace is the Polish habit of throwing a few hemp seeds in the fire ‘as a sacrifice’ during the harvest.
An obvious link between sacrifices in honour of the dead and the mass use of hashish is to be found in the Scythian funeral ceremony.
After the burial, the Scythians purified themselves in the following manner: they washed and anointed there heads and, after having planted posts in the ground and wrapped cloth around them, they through hemp into receptacles filled with red-hot stones.
By comparing the old Slavic word ‘kepati’ and the Russian ‘kupati’ with the Scythian ‘cannabis’ Schrader developed and justified Meringer’s supposition that there is a link between the Scythian baths and Russian vapor baths.
In the entire Orient even today to ‘go out to the bath’ means not only to accomplish an act of purification and enjoy a pleasure, but also to fulfil the divine law. Vambrey calls ‘bath’ any club in which the members play checkers, drink coffee, and smoke hashish or tobacco.
The tobacco imported from America spread so rapidly through Europe because the way had been prepared for it by hemp.
NAMES OF THE PLANT
anascha-Russia hanpr-Norway
banga-Sanskrit haschisch-France
bangi-Congo hashish-Africa, Asia
bhang-India hemp-Great Britain
boo-USA hennep-Holland
cabza-India herbe-France
canab- Brittany hierba-Mexico
canaib-Ireland hsien ma tse-China
cannapa-Italy Indian hay-USA
canna-Persia intsangu-South Africa
cannapis-Rumania jive-USA
chanvre-France joint-USA
charas-India joy-USA
charge-USA juana-Mexico
dagga-South Africa juanita-Mexico
dawemesk-Algeria kanapes-Lithuania
diamba-Brazil kanas-Brittany
djamba-South Africa kanbun-Chaldean
esrar-Turkey, Persia kanebosm-Hebrew
ganjah-India kanebusma-Aramaic
ganjika-Sanskrit kanep-Albania
gauge-USA kannab-Arabia
goni-Sanskrit kanopia-Czechoslovakia
goo-USA kendir-Tartar
grass-USA kendiros-Tartar
grifa-Spain, Mexico khanchha-Cambodia
haenep-Old English kif-North Africa
hamp-Denmark kinder-Tartar
hampa-Sweden konop-Bugaria
hampr-Finland konopie-Poland
hanf-Germany konoplja-Russia
liamba-Brazil pajuela-Mexico
loco weed (confused with pot-USA
datura)-USA qunubu-Assyrian
maconha-Brazil rap-India
majoun-North Africa, Middle East reefer-USA
marihuana-Mexico, USA, Europe rosamaria-Mexico
marijuana-Mexico, USA, Europe rup-India
mary jane-USA so-la-ra-dsa-Tibet
matakwane-Sotho (South Africa) sonadora-Mexico
mbangi-Tanzania stick-USA
momea-Tibet suruma-Ronga (Africa)
mora-Mexico takouri-Tunisia
morisqueta-mexico tea-USA
mota-Mexico tiamba-Brazil
muggles-USA tirsa-Mexico
muta-USA umia-Xhosa (Africa)
nena-Mexico weed-USA
nsangu-Zulu wheat-Europe
My Articles
1.Many people (even scholars!) speculate that the word cannabis moved to the Middle East and Europe from the Far East. Most English etymological dictionaries trace the word hemp-cannabis to the Scythians via the Greek historian Herodotus (approximately 500 B.C.). The word is however said to occur at least two hundred years earlier in the Assyrian tablet of Assur(i)banibal (in ritual use no less). The Assyrians were/are a Semitic people closely related to the Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic peoples.
The leading authorities on the etymology of both the German and Russian languages list a Sumerian cognate (these are ,,Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache” Kluge 23rd edition by Elmar Seebold 1999 on page 354, and ,,Russisches etymologisches Wörterbuch.” Heidelberg: Winter by Max Vasmer 1950-1959 in three volumes, vol. 1 page 615 (there is also an expanded Russian language translation of this). Beyond this an Article written in Swedish lists both kunibu-cannabis and gamun-cumin as Sumerian words. This article is ,,Sumerna och deras kultur(The Sumerians and their culture)” föredragvid finska vetenskapsocietens sammanträde den 13 December 1943 av(by) Knut Tallqvist in ,,Societas Scientarium Fennica Årsbok- Vousikirja 22nd band No: 3, Helsingfors 1944″ See page 22. This is important not only because it places the word cannabis in the region approximately 3000 years prior to Herodotus but also because cumin is usually given as a word that stems from Semitic (and Hebrew in particular). The Hebrew word for cumin only occurs three times in the Old Testament (once in Isaiah 28: 25 and twice in 28: 27).
I hope that you may also find the following insightful as well as interesting. A quote from “A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language for Readers of English” by Rabbi Ernest Klein, Carta Jerusalem, University of Haifa 1987, runs as follows “Since early times, humanity has tried to find out why things are called by the words that denote them; The Hebrew Bible offers quite a few instances e.g. Genesis 2: 23. The Greeks called this: finding the true meaning of the word, “true” being etymos, literally “that which is”, and “etymology” meant originally “using words in their true sense”. This “truth” was found by deriving existing words from other words, in the same or in another language. The first known systematic attempt to use such connections not for speculation as to the true nature of things, but in order to discover the meanings of words, was made by Jewish scholars in North Africa, Spain and later in Southern France, between 900 and 1350 C.E. They deduced the meanings of difficult Biblical words from corresponding words in Arabic and Aramaic, applying rules for which consonants in one language corresponded to a given consonant in another.” This was an ingenious and amazing achievement but the fact that Arabic and Aramaic could have easily, by this time, lost many of the subtleties accompanying a variety of words like bosem for example (subtleties which may still be reflected in Medieval and Modern Hebrew, for example Klein’s dictionary gives Medieval and Modern Hebrew meanings which include spicing, perfuming, and becoming intoxicated or drunk, on the attached page (page 86) taken from this dictionary MH and NH stand for Medieval Hebrew and New Hebrew respectively ), this compounded with the inaccuracies contained in the long accepted Greek Septuagint could have very easily added an extra layer to the shroud covering the truth.
Peace, Love and Respect to all,
Humbly submitted by
Rev. Joshua Snider
2.In my previous article I suggested that Arabic and Aramaic may have lost much of the original color that the word bosem may have originally conveyed. This is probably true although it can be seen from the following page (page 9 with definitions of “enjoy oneself, delight”, and “annoint”) taken from “ A Syriac-English Glossary With Etymological Notes” by M.H. Goshen-Gottstein, based on Brockelmann’s Syriac Chrestomathy 1970, that at least Syriac Aramaic seems to have retained much of this ancient color.
The excerpt and reference below is taken from the article “Early Diffusion And Folk Uses of Hemp” by Sula Benet in “Cannabis and Culture” 1975
Another piece of evidence regarding the use of the word ‘kaneh’ in
the sense of hemp rather than reed among the Hebrews is the religious
requirement that the dead be buried in ‘kaneh’ shirts. Centuries later,
linen was substituted for hemp (Klein 1908).
KLEIN, SIEGFRIED 1908 Tod und Begrabnis in Palistina. Berlin: H.
Itzkowski.
Peace, Love and Respect to all.
Humbly submitted with my deepest apologies for prior oversights,
Rev. Joshua Snider
3.Although gifted scholars have suggested that the m in kaneh bosem represents a plural, it can be seen from the above material that bosem appears to be one of two complete morphemes (a morpheme is the smallest unit of sound containing meaning) making up the compound word from “fragrant” or “intoxicating grass or hemp” (for the definition of kanu as “denotes grass, reeds, &c” see ,,Assyrian Grammar; An Elementary Grammar; With Full Syllabary And Progressive Reading Book Of The Assyrian Language In The Cuneiform Type” by Rev. A, H. Sayce, Wipf and Stock Publishers, 150 West Broadway, Eugene Oregon 97401 May 2002, Samuel Bagster and Sons, 1875, page 48). I do however feel that these scholars seem to be on the right track. The similarity of the m in bosem to the m of the masculine plural would seem to have led to the reanalysis of kaneh bosem as a plural, leading in turn to the loss of this m in the kanbos of the Mishna and the Scythian and Greek cannabis. It is unlikely, even on account of syllables, that the word cannabis consists of only one morpheme. So far as I have seen, no other theory has yet been advanced attempting to explain the semantic meanings of the component morphemes of cannabis in any detail. This would be a fairly remarkable suggestion if Proto Indo-European were truly the source of this word considering the extent to which this language family has been exhaustively reconstructed and studied. Aside from no other theory being advanced, the weight of the above material suggests strongly that this scenario is not unlikely.
A closely related theory that does not strain the above account for semantics, is that bosem actually means hashish or intoxicating spice of kanu or hemp. I’d like to extend my thanks to the Right Rev. Gregory Davis for this interpretation. If kaneh bosem was reanalyzed as a collective plural in the form of hashish, kanbos could have easily been seen as the singular plant in pre-collected form. In either case, as can be seen above, the reason for lack of plural agreement between the adjective and noun is explained because bosem is not actually a truly historical plural and by the time it would have been perceived as such, kanehbosem would have already been seen as one word (simply a noun instead of a noun with a complementing adjective).
Peace, Love and Respect to all.
Humbly submitted,
Rev. Joshua Snider
The two ancient Aramaic translations of the Torah, The Targum Onqelus and the Syriac Peshitta also use variations of kaneh bosem in Exodus 30: 23. The Targum uses (w)qnya busma (Targum (Chaldean) Bible.,, The Bible in Aramaic : Based on Old Manuscripts and Printed Texts. Vol. 1, The Pentateuch according to…. O.T. Pentateuque (arameen). onqelos by Alexander Sperber 1897, 1959,1973,1992., Leiden; New York; E.J. Brill, page 143 and the Peshitta uses roughly (w)qnya d busma ,,Peshitta (Syriac) Syrian Patriarchate of Antioch and all the East, Syriac Bible 63DC United Bible Societies 1979 UBS-EPF 1996-2M , page 67.
Edited and Updated Dec. 10 2007
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One love,
Joshua Snider
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December 12th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Love Brother Terry!
I just posted my articles here. I’m guessing they are being held for moderation because there are 3 links at the end of the post.
Anyway figured I’d let you know about the update.
Cheers, One love and God Bless!
Joshua
December 16th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Nice Job Brother Joshua,
I am adding this to my website “Cannabis in the Holy Oil” This is a great addition to the research.
Thanks for the Post
Cheers and God Bless
Terry
December 17th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Love Brother Terry!
Thank you! I am blessed and honored to be a part of this and a part of your website. Thank you for your commitment and tireless work in fighting the good fight!
One love, cheers, and God Bless!
Joshua
January 21st, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Thanks Terry for adding Rev. Joshua Snyder’s study to your site. In the newly drafted website this page is a direct link in the opening page. I spoke with Joshua recently, he told me about supporting the conclusion that KNH BSM in the Word is truly hashish and your publication. All references to KNH in the Hebrew Word, the Aramaic Gospel and Revelation relate to the hemp. In Genesis, And Eve said, “I KNH a man Jehovah.” iv. 1. This is a reference to the Sacred Bundle raised up by the Most Ancient Church in worship of the Divine Man to become born in this world. Funny isn’t it that no one can understand what those ancient Sumerians were up to!
Also, posted on that UniversalOrthodox.org site is a study; Doctrine of the revelatory Word in the holy anointing oil of Moses that plainly teaches the true recipe. One of the impetuses for writing this work was my embarrassment for my earlier strident comment made on your film in this blog. I considered that if what I say is true then there needs to be a doctrine written from out the Word that teaches what and how the oil of Moses is made. This doctrinal study represents a true labor of love and repentance, many hours of prayer in a worship setting among the Ethiopian Orthodox here in Atlanta and years of study in the Writings of Emanuel Swedenborg.
Surprisingly to me, this study shows that the ratio of the essential oil of Myrrh is in much greater proportion than all of the known researchers on this subject have determined to date. In the Exodus recipe the weight called for in Myrrh is the essential oil itself! Therefore, in the future, the returned anointing oil of Moses will be comprised of approximately the following: 1.5 gallons of the essential oil of Myrrh, ¾ gallon of the essential oil of Cinnamon, ¾ gallon of the essential oil of Hashish, 1.5 gallons of the essential oil of Chinese Cinnamon in a 1 gallon base of Palestinian olive oil. Keep in mind these are approximations and the exact recipe cannot be known until actually accomplished. These ingredients are mixed in the holy of holies for blessing by a mitered Bishop during the Eucharist prayers.
Please understand that the attempts by other ministries to make this oil available are worthy in that they contain the Word. The intention here is to bring about the returned use according to order. Because of our fallen state, mankind requires all the blessing we can get. In the founding doctrines is a study on the baptism of Jesus the Anointed. His Human body took upon Himself all of the oil. In Matthew, “But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, ‘Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness.’ And then he suffered him.” iii. 14, 15. We can comprehend this when realizing that the populace that went to the baptism of John experienced an immersion in water and then the blessed oil upon the right foot as revealed from within the discovery of the “Cave of John the Baptist.” The mystery of the baptism of Jesus has been hidden from mankind to protect us from profaning that which is holy. Now that the Last Judgment has taken place in the spiritual world the Lord has provided that profanations will no longer occur. In Revelation, “… the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse.” xxii. 2, 3. In addition, the founding doctrines contain what I term the “pot prophesy” of Psalm 72 which reveals the Hebrew term BAR (corn) as the hempseed. The ultimate “pot prophesy” is Psalm 126.
Your brother in the Anointed,
Right Reverend Gregory Karl Davis
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 am
Greetings Brother Terry,
and a belated Happy New Year!
Re: sweet incense = fragrant drugs
http://www.stempublishing.com/index.html
http://www.stempublishing.com/authors/darby/
Although I recognized the Darby Bible by name I was not familiar with the work of J.N. Darby per se nor had I read his version of the Bible until recently when I was comparing the King James Version of the Holy Bible against it (the 1890 Darby Bible ) and found a rather interesting passage in Exodus regarding “What the Israelites must offer for the making of the tabernacle”.
Exodus 25:1-6 reads:
1 And Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me a heave-offering: of every one whose heart prompteth him, ye shall take my heave-offering. 3 And this is the heave-offering that ye shall take of them: gold, and silver, and copper, 4 and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and byssus, and goats’ [hair], 5 and rams’ skins dyed red, and badgers’ skins; and acacia-wood; 6 oil for the light; spices for the anointing oil, and for the incense of fragrant drugs; Ex 25:1-6 (Darby)
[ byssus refers to “a white material )
the King James Version of the same chapter states:
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering. 3 And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass, 4 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats’ hair, 5 And rams’ skins dyed red, and badgers’ skins, and shittim wood, 6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense, Ex 25:1-6 (KJV)
I’m hoping to find in his writings anything that demonstrates how he arrived at this particular choice of words but his writings are extensive so it might take some time.
Also, I have long suspected that the menorah is a symbolic representation of the cannabis plant.
The candlestick and its instruments
31 And thou shalt make a lamp-stand of pure gold; [of] beaten work shall the lamp-stand be made: its base and its shaft, its cups, its knobs, and its flowers shall be of the same. 32 And six branches shall come out of the sides thereof—three branches of the lamp-stand out of one side thereof, and three branches of the lamp-stand out of the other side thereof; 33 three cups shaped like almonds in the one branch, a knob and a flower: and three cups shaped like almonds in the other branch, a knob and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the lamp-stand. 34 And in the lamp-stand four cups shaped like almonds, its knobs and its flowers; 35 and a knob under two branches of it, and [again] a knob under two branches of it, and [again] a knob under two branches of it, for the six
branches that proceed out of the lamp-stand. 36 Their knobs and their branches shall be of itself—all of one beaten work of pure gold. 37 And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof, and they shall light
Ex 25:31-37 (Darby)
Bless you
Rev. Bro. Wayne Phillips
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 am
Greetings Right Reverend Gregory Karl Davis,
Good to hear from you and thank you for your comments.
For some reason this will not let me log on as administrator, so I will respond as myself.
Yes Rev. Joshua Snider’s research here adding a great deal and as well the reprint of Sula Benet was needed, and Reverend Joshua’s contribution is greatly appreciated.
Regarding your comments: We have debated this extensively before. My thoughts are unchanged. Where you go into myrrh you state that it should be the essential oil of myrrh. Yet in the Bible it states pure myrrh. It also talks about essential spices not essential oils. It remains my belief that the kanabos is cannabis and not hashish as shown by the new word Hebrew dictionary discussed in my website. I have detailed above how to make the oil with these essential spices and I have made a small batch in the past. It yields a reddish brown wonderful smelling oil. In the bible it is referred to as perfume. Essential oils would not provide this. My beliefs here remain firm based on my research.
I respect your work. I would suggest trying to make a small batch as I have covered before, in the posts above. Then try the same thing with your thoughts on making it. I think you will see the difference. Let the Holy Spirit guide you at that point.
God Bless
Terry
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 am
Dear Brother Wayne Phillips and others,
Sorry I just found my password to administer the website again to find comments waiting administration. Where there are web links in the input it is held for administration. I just have not had any time for that based on my current workload.
Good input AND THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
THERE WERE 3 OTHER COMMENTS APPROVED BUT I HAVE NOT FOUND THEM YET.
Please let me know when you are posting with links so I can approve them in the future. If web links are not used it should be posted without a problem. Sorry again. I will try to review this again to respond to the comments soon.
God Bless
Terry Winger
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Louv all!
The Translation of Darby is interesting and accurate. The word for drugs in that verse (Exodus 25: 6) is םימּסּה (hasamim, ה [ha] being the definite article or the word the).
From the Living Torah by Aryeh Kaplan, the recipe for the Incense of the Alter in Exodus 30: 34. reads as follows “God said to Moses: Take fragrances such as balsam,* onycha,* galbanum,* and pure frankincense,* all of the same weight,* as well as [other specified] fragrances.*
Every asterisk indicates a footnote as it does in the book. In the final footnote there is mention of another 7 spices that were included according to tradition.
Setting the commentary aside and dealing only with the text itself, we find the word םימּס twice. As above, it is plural and the singular it is sm, defined in Earnest Klein’s Etymological Hebrew Dictionary as “םס m.n. 1. spice. 2. PBH drug, medicine; poison. [Related to Aram.-Syr. אמּס (=drug, medicine, poison), Akka. shammu (=plant, drug, medicine). cp. ןממס and the fist element in לאמּס. cp. also םוּמס and תיממשׂ.] Derivitive;םמס.”
I find it instructive that in the Rastafarian traditions Ganja is seen as the incense of the altar.
One louv,
Joshua
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:23 pm
The Hebrew letters above seem to have come out backwards, with the exception of the first word hasamim which seems to be bacwards in addition to having the m and the s in the opposite spots of what the would be for the backwords resding. My deepest appologies. I have no Idea how that happened it looks fine in word.
January 24th, 2008 at 3:23 am
Dear Rev. Joshua,
The incense is an interesting topic. I have studied this extensively however I was never able to prove my beliefs and there are no smoking guns. None the less it is my belief there was 2% cannabis here, along with being covered with the Holy oil before being burnt. Exodus indicates 8 spices though not spelled out fully. It is a fact however the later Hebrews used 13 ingredients and cannabis was not one of them. This is shown by the discovery of Vendal Jones of 2nd temple incense. Perhaps one day I will write on it, as I once planned. The incense was thought to send the prayers of a church directly before the mercy seat of God, and it is prophesied to be returned along with the seal of God (Holy Oil), in Revelations.
May God Bless
Terry
January 24th, 2008 at 3:54 am
Dear Brother Wayne Phillips,
Greetings Brother,
Some of what you stated above relates directly to what I was just discussing with Rev. Joshua.
You State: Exodus 25:1-6 reads:
1 And Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me a heave-offering: of every one whose heart prompteth him, ye shall take my heave-offering. 3 And this is the heave-offering that ye shall take of them: gold, and silver, and copper, 4 and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and byssus, and goats’ [hair], 5 and rams’ skins dyed red, and badgers’ skins; and acacia-wood; 6 oil for the light; spices for the anointing oil, and for the incense of fragrant drugs; Ex 25:1-6 (Darby)
Notice it states “spices for the anointing oil, and for the incense” Later the spices for the Holy Oil are spelled out. Then in the description of the incense there are 4 more spices spelled out. Check it out and let the reader form their own conclusions.
Also I also believe the menorah relates to the Tree of Life, Cannabis. And it certainly was in the ancient world, with all it’s 12 fruits. You may want to look at a part of my site where the Baptismal grotto of James the Just was found. Very interesting on the menorah. http://www.freeanointing.org/freechristian.htm
Cheers and God Bless Brother.
Brother Terry
January 24th, 2008 at 5:23 am
Oh by the way I thought the Darby” incense of fragrant drugs; Ex 25:1-6″ was very interesting.
Cheers
Terry
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:05 am
I translate the holy scriptures from the original languages, and the original Hebrew in Exodus 30:23 is not cannabis, but rather it is literally “qnh bsm”, and translated correctly into English it is “cane balsam”. I consider this “cane” to be what is called “citronella” (botanical: Cymbopogon nardus), a type of lemon-scented grass, which grows in the Middle East.
February 2nd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Louv Eloy,
Balsam is ,,nataph” in Hebrew and the semantics of ,,bosem” (a much different word) are quite clear. ,,Bosem” can mean fragrant, sweet, aromatic or intoxicating when you look at it through a carefull comparison of the Semitic languages.
From the perspective of an hisorical linguist, the evidence for Cannabis being the etymological descendant of ,,qnh bsm” appears quite convincing to my eye.
One louv,
Joshua
February 2nd, 2008 at 2:50 pm
By the way ,,bosem” is generally considered to be an adjective while balsam is definitely a noun. Do you have a convincing or persuasive theory that would offer the world of linguistics some palpable reason to consider the word ,,bosem” in the light of a true noun?
One louv,
Joshua
February 3rd, 2008 at 9:16 am
Joshua, “nataph” is not balm, rather the hebrew word “tsery” is balm. Balsam can mean balm or the fragrance of balm. Yes, balm is short for balsam. The balm of Gilead is called the larch today (botanical name: Larix decidua). It is in the pine family and used for dressing wounds. The balsam was mixed with equal parts of grain alcohol to make balm used as dressing for sores. Also called Venetian turpentine or Terebenthine De Venise. You probably could mix the dissolved balm with any vegetable oil to make an essential oil or an anointing oil for healing. I know the early English translators mistranslated alot of Hebrew and Greek words. For example, the 3 gifts to Jesus was not gold and frankincense, but they did get the myrrh correct. Instead from the Greek it is better translated, amber, cedar of lebanon, and sweet myrrh. (botanically: Ficus glomerata, synonym= Ficus racemosa; Cedrus libani atlantica; and Commiphora guidotti). They mistranslated Chryson to wrongly mean gold rather than amber; and mistranslated olibanum to wrongly mean frankincense rather than cedar of lebanon; but they did translate smyrnan correctly- although smyrnan is sweet myrrh rather than bitter myrrh.
February 3rd, 2008 at 9:48 am
Joshua, Please know that God would not advocate any mind numbing drug like cannabis for his people in worship. A narcoticised or intoxicated mind is not holy to the Lord. Marijuana is a drug which is used for medicine as well as opiates and morphine to numb severe and chronic pain in patients and also given to those whom are terminally ill, but drugs are never sanctioned by God for his people in worship. For God’s word instructs us to be of a sound and sober mind. Therefore, common sense rules out the idea of cane balsam having some different meaning than what it literally is, especially the remote idea of cannabis.
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Louv Eloy,
Alright, so tsery can mean Balsam. I also found that balsam itself comes from the Hebrew ,,Baal Schaamen” (balsam) or ,,lord of oils” and I do appreciate the suggestion that it can be used as an adjective.
All of this does seem to have little to the words that are actually used in Exodus 30: 22.
As can be seen in my articles above no other theory of any merit (at least as far as I have seen) has offered any other account for the morphemes in Cannabis. Now the likelihood of that is remote.
I believe that you are quite mistaken that Cannabis hinders cognitive abilities. Many studies have been done on this. Unfortunately, if I paste links here it will hold up my post from being published and once it is published you would still have to copy and paste them out to get them to work. These include a study by UCLA professors that was published in both Omni and Science Magazine, at least a dozen driving studies, two of which, were commissioned by the USA’s own Department Of Transportation (DOT), and studies, which include video game performance and more. If you are aware of any credible scientific sources to the contrary please share. You may also want to forward them to the United States Attorney General’s office, the DEA and the DOJ, I have a feeling they might be in need of those materials for trial.
Although Cannabis is a wonderful medicine (as many of us believe it is the Healing of Nations), its usefulness as clean fuel and renewable resources that could also regulate greenhouse gasses, should not be overlooked.
God Bless you, and One louv,
Joshua
February 4th, 2008 at 5:05 am
Joshua, Marijuana is an illegal drug in most states in the United States, clearly because the intoxicating effects from it’s use is proven to alter the concentration and so is harmful to be under it’s influence while driving or piloting or performing surgeries, or other daily functions in society which effect the health and lives of others. It is also proven that those whom use this drug regularly have a dimished hygeine level and neglect the daily care of themselves, and also develop organic damage to their mental faculties.
February 4th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Joshua, when you read Exodus 30, the ingredients are aromatics, and as cannabis may have its own odor, it’s fragrance resembles “burning leaves” moreso then a refreshing aromatic as the other ingredients possess. I know other cultures use hallucinegens like cannabis in order to change their consciousness from the present reality into a “other worldly or dreamy” state, like the indians with their peace pipes, and peyetoe, and mushrooms. But this is not spiritual connecting to God, but the opposite, it is an intoxication or drug-induced separation from God. People who tune-out of this world and tune-in to other nonGodly worlds are moving away from God’s holiness and not towards his holiness. People addicted, need real salvation, and not more drug.
February 4th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Louv Eloy,
I still do not know whether to address you as Brother or Sister.
“Marijuana” (a racist term in and of itself) or Cannabis as I prefer to call it was made illegal because of racism, ignorance and the greed of big business. These three causes have an incredibly severe and damaging effect on planet Earth and all of its inhabitants (not just humans).
I will paste the links to my proofs of the lack of harm and impairment to cognitive abilities and wait for Brother Terry to approve it. As I now see in my post above, the links will work once they are posted.
I’m sure that you will find that many people would consider your comments above about Native American practices quite racist.
More to the point, I would suggest that if you are going to claim that Cannabis, a substance far less toxic than water, according to the 1988 ruling by the DEA’s own Law Judge, Francis Young, is actually harmful, that you should get off your butt (instead of trying to blow smoke up mine) and start producing some damn evidence that would be admissible in a court of law.
Again, God Bless you and One louv,
Joshua
February 4th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
This first link is the study published in Science Magazine and Omni, but the first page is somewhat unrelated to the rest.
http://www.ethiopianzioncopticchurch.org/Federal/exhibit_08.pdf
http://www.coctministry.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=151&Itemid=204
The Federal distribution of 300 Medical Marijuana cigarettes a month to certain patients under the Investigational New Drug Program (IND). (See Irv Rosenfeld’s testimony in Lansing Michigan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvzX8aNwxgM&eurl=http://www.thc-ministry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3882
One louv,
Joshua
February 4th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Joshua, My statements are based upon fact, and they are not racist. Take any person under the influence of cannabis, peyote, or hallucenegic mushrooms and test their cognitive mental faculties and the reactionary time of their reponses, and comparitively test any person not under the influence of any euphoric drugs and the test results will speak for themselves. Anyhow, I gather that you are pro-cannabis, and that is ok, but your mistranslation of cane balsam to mean cannabis is a misconception, and cannabis is not specifically sanctioned by God in the Bible. Just think if cannabis were made legal, how much harm to people’s lives would result because of it. If it was made legal, you would have more car accidents, and other similar tragedies, because smoking marijuana is proven to impair concentration.
February 4th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Joshua, My name Eloy is masculine.
February 5th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Verily,you Bro. Joshua,ARE Correct…I’d have guessed that Eloy was a feminine entity based on the discernment of his philosophy which resembles that of a satanicly decieved female…Maybe some day he’ll wake up and BE a Living Man…In and With HIS One Louv,Brother AjO…